ingredients, pork parts in surgery and stuff like that. it would be inappropriate to say about how i would know otherwise. but yes, i think we're as near as that. >> you're not a secret cannibal then, jamie? >> no, definitely not, definitely not. >> and on another matter, nigella lawson has been in the news, pretty ugly court case. what are your thoughts about nigella? she's been trashed in that case, but i can't help but feeling sorry for her. i like her very much. what is your thought? >> i love nigella. she's a beautiful lady. she's a good person. you know, i wouldn't want that sort of stuff if it was dragged through the press if it was me. i think the good news is, you know, she'll be fine. i think people still love her and respect her for being a