agriculture, you know, there's a lot of people in this huge sector offing a culture and immigration, they don't have a wage. they don't have a minimum wage that have a slave wage, and they have, you know, it's an exploited industry and labor for this backbone of our country. >> so howard, you limp along struggling on the minimum wage, as everyone knows with your father. >> i bet i get paid less than you, piers. >> what's the answer to this particular part of the puzzle, this minimum wage issue? >> let me back up and say ultimately the solution to pulling peep out of poverty and make sure they are fed is have them working. that's the long-term real exit strategy if you want to solve a problem. raising the minimum wage is a debate that you don't know the facts, because i'm all for raising the minimum wage, but there is a balance -- and i really am, but there is a balance between how much you