grandchildren myself. that doesn't allow them to use that day either to attack my rights. we're going back to the bill of rights the next day, now, will they back off? how many times will you back off -- i bet you use december 14th to use your anti-gun agenda? >> you're damn right, to promote gun safety in america, i'll do it on behalf of these families. let me read you -- >> self defense. >> if you may give me a word, let me read you what neal heslin, whose son jesse was killed. let me -- your heart doesn't go out to them. >> the person that did it. >> you laugh as you did a minute ago. >> piers you don't know about my heart, that is probably why you don't have as many viewers as others do, people have turned you off.