shooting or whatever. let's get down to the nuts and bolts of what happened when there were lots of guns around. a recent study in the southern medical journal said the dangers of having a gun at home out weigh the safety benefits. we seen a load of young kids who have picked up guns and shot siblings and parents. it's not funny, ben. >> it's not funny -- >> it's happening on a daily basis. >> there are crime victims i can bring before you that would say what you just said absolutely did not apply. go to any person to guard and protect and defend themselves, i'm one of them, faced with a gun being point at them or their home -- kicked -- their front or backdoor being kicked in and saved their life and an accident didn't happen there and without a gun they would be either raped or dead or live a life of fear and terror because of the horrible crimes committed that cannot defend themselves. i have to say one other thing