and more than president obama. i think it's part of the whole problem of giant government. so i would want to know that this was walled off, and i would want some kind of criminal sanctions against anybody who used this information for anything, except counterterrorism. >> see, what i've got here, i've got a story here, which is from 2006, "usa today", the national security able see has been secretly collecting phone records of tens of millions of americans using data provided by at&t, verizon and bell south. that was under george bush's administration. and the critics will say all right, mr. speaker, you're criticizing the obama administration for doing this, although you're saying it could be acceptable, because you -- because you could trust them. other people say, hang on, what about the bush administration who took us to war in iraq over what turned out to be a pack of lies about saddam hussein's weapons of mass destruction? why would you trust them anymore with that information? isn't it like for like?