killed. and is that bad? well, no, i think they've been given a chance. and the people that have served there have done a good job. they have tough neighbors, the taliban is going to try to come back in, is it going to be a smooth path for them? no, but they had elections, they picked a president, and the country's vastly better off. the taliban we're using the soccer state yuchl stadiums the using to cut off people not to play soccer. is it perfect? no. >> in rumsfelds rules, what rule would you have for me? >> well, i thought about that cominging over here. and i put down that the art of listening is indispensable to the right use of the mind. it's also the most generous, the most open, and the most appealing of human habits. and you are in a position where you have to do that. and that was from the dean of