but i also understand the things that he did. he wasn't this pure virginess guy they portrayed him to be. and the combination of the two together -- >> that doesn't matter. >> became a star-cross problem. again, not a reason for him to die. i have said that, okay? but i don't think she deserves to die either. i think she is -- should be found guilty. she was. but i don't believe she should be getting the death penalty. >> well, they -- if i may jump in. the irony, of course, is she has now come out herself after the conviction and said she would prefer the death penalty. which, as elisha said, may just be her way of avoiding a lifetime in prison, which would be the last thing she would want. thank you both very much indeed. i want to bring in vinny politan, host of "in session," and hln's "making it in america." vinny, we've reached the crashing point of this extraordinary case. what is your reaction to what happened in court today. >> first i want to react to what gus just said, completely mischaracterizing the evidence and the verdict rendered by