angie garcia was she said that there were two children, one, a girl of about 3, she thought, who came in with amanda berry who she assumed to be amanda berry's possible daughter, but secondly, when the other women came out of the house, a girl who looked about 10 years old, so you may have a situation where there are two different children that have been borne in this house of horror as it appears to have been. >> absolutely. let's reflect back on jaycee dugard. there were multiple tips from neighbors that philip garrido, her rapist who is now convicted of that case, that he had children in the backyard and he actually violated his parole, was taken out by authorities and served a month in jail while his deranged wife kept jaycee dugard and those two little girls in the backyard. so this is not unusual that these lowlifes, these creeps, think they not only have