with a deadly weapon, the same way that 170 parents were irresponsible when driving over a child when they backed up and didn't look in their rear-view mirror. that is called irresponsible humans, not irresponsible gun, which did not commit the crime. you had a dumb parent in the household. >> okay. look, all i would say to you, it is perfectly illegal to sell a car to a 5-year-old in this country and the reason for that is public safety. >> you can't sell a gun to a 5-year-old, piers. >> well, you market these guns in america to sell to 5-year-olds. the gun was marketed to sell to a 5-year-old. >> piers, you market almost everything. we have little cadillac escalades that have a battery in them for kids. we have mini four-wheelers for kids. we have mini harley-davidsons for kids. we have all of these things. but at the end of the day, a 5-year-old is not legally allowed to go buy an actual gun. a grown adult with a background