which did not commit the crime. you had a dumb parent in the household. >> okay. look, all i would say to you, it is perfectly illegal to sell a car to a 5-year-old in this country and the reason for that is public safety. >> you can't sell a gun to a 5-year-old, piers. >> well, you market these guns in america to sell to 5-year-ol 5-year-olds. the gun was marketed to sell to a 5-year-old. >> piers, you market almost everything. we have little cadillac escalades that have a battery in them for kids. we have mini four-wheelers for kids. we have mini harley davidsons for kids. we have all of these things. but at the end of the at a, a 5-year-old is not legally allowed to go buy an actual gun. a grown adult with a background check who has to go in and fill out paperwork is the owner of that gun. it's not in the name of the child. and that's the problem, is bad, irresponsible parents. >> got to leave it there, ben. always good to see you. thanks for coming back on "the