destabilizing america in some way. >> no question. you have to remember, coming out of the 1990s, actually most of chechnya was quite convinced the united states was fully backing the russians in committing the atrocities they it in the course of that war. and likewise, frankly, despite the deating relationship between the last decade, the belief is the west is backing putin as he engages in heavy handed repressions in the so-called insurgency period of the war. all of that would have been a part of a received narrative that both of the tsarnaev brothers, but in particular the older brother, who would have been a little bit more aware while this was happening, would have gotten from family and friends, as well as from internet, videos and things like that. so it makes them as individuals, at the very at least, it's very clear, psychologically, these guys are vulnerable to that type of radicalization as part of their identity. it sort of is who they are, what they have inherited. >> thank you all very much indeed.