ways they do. >> they're not at peace. you know. >> extraordinary interview. and he's such a humble, nice guy, but very normal and clearly propelled by default into this totally abnormal world. >> here's the other part of it, too. when he got down off the ladder and called 911, he's on the phone and he's so detail oriented, he's on the phone with the 911 operator. the operator says can you see him? he realizes he can't see behind the boat. he says i can't see behind the boat. he says, well, hang up. authorities will be right there. piers, he hung up. he went back outside. he checked the back of the boat. so he was not completely satisfied until he saw that the suspect was still in the boat and at that point in time, that's when the authorities arrived and that's when he was escorted out with his wife. >> that is true heroism. >> one of the many weird aspects