those times when he was jacking up a player or throwing a ball at a player, he was really joking. >> joking? >> well, i mean, we're watching some of the footage here. he doesn't look very funny. he's hurling balls at their heads, shoving them around, using some pretty bigoted language, which i won't repeat. all pretty unpleasant. i mean, i suppose the obvious question, though, is how unusual is this -- he's kicking somebody there. this can't be right, can it tyree? this is unusual behavior, even by sporting coach standards, isn't it? >> yes, it is. and i think he has come to the conclusion that he made a mistake or what not. but at the same time, if you were at the gym at the time and around coach rice and knew coach rice as the person that i know him as, you understand that he was just probably seeing something that day that you were lacking and he was trying to motivate you. i mean, we all have different ways of motivation. motivating others. and that was one of his ways to try to motivate players. >> when you were in the team