anyone else had some issues, from having access to those firearms. even if she had done that, we can't sit here and say a tragedy wouldn't have occurred. all we can be clearer on is that the tragedy wouldn't have occurred with those particular firearms. that, we can probably say. but you don't need a firearm to cause horrible tragedies. a gallon of gasoline can cost the lives of 100 people or more. we have seen it in brazil. we saw it in the bronx in the 1980s. the happy land fire, one gallon of gasoline, 87 people were killed. you don't need a gun if your intent is to cause mayhem. >> but you do, you think, need a situation in america where you have more gun murders a year than the next 22 of the richest countries in the world combined. >> well, we have some serious problems in this country but our politicians really don't want to address the problems and have