>> well, you know, i think what we're talking about here is a man who is very much, as every one of the 115 cardinals, is an orthodox man. this is a man who is completely in line with the teaching of the church, but what we're talking about here is the apparition of the church. the biggest problem of the catholic church, it's run by human beings, and so it's fallible in the sense that organizations make mistakes and they do things the wrong way. they tend to focus on -- as you heard talked about, centers of power instead of holiness and doing what is right for -- in following the holy spirit. so for me, this is a great blessing to see someone who is so focused on the core mission of the church, come in there and hopefully get people to focus on that very same thing. >> he is known to be anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage, no surprise there. i would imagine all of the 115 cardinals -- >> no other options but that. that's what the church is, and