pope, the first south american pope, possibly even the first american pope. so we could see history, but the catholic church is known to be pretty conservative and the clever money, i would argue, is probably going on a nonsurprising choice. what do you think will happen? >> well, i can't really predict but i think you're right. we could very well be surprised. my own money is on cardinal scola. he's remarkable, a great pastor and a very strong organizer. but i will confess the dark horse in my judgment is cardinal dolan. >> cardinal dolan is on the people's vote but from what i hear, and maybe we will come back to you on this, doesn't have the cardinal support. cardinal o'malley in boston has a lot more support than cardinal dolan has. am i right? >> yeah, and don't you love by the way, cardinal o'malley out of boston, cardinal dolan out of