and they believe that at the end of the day, despite people say thing that they can be impartial, that there is going to be some sort of political bias. they know that the defendant is incredibly polarizing as well as the fact that he's a former president and incredibly well-known but what they're looking for is can they find one sympathetic jury? >> juror? can they get a hung jury that is the ultimate goal here, because as you've said, had an acquittal exactly. >> and i don't know well, that they necessarily think they're going to get an acquittal. so sure. that is the ultimate goal, but the realistic goal for them might more be leaning towards getting a hung jury. >> now remember for the prosecutor bhushan and the defense team, it has been show time since the very first juror in the pool walked in that courtroom, they're going to have to now tailor their oral arguments that might happen as early as monday and day to those 18 jurors. now, we know the court of public opinion looms large and we have a lot of conversations. but for them, they're going to present their case to these jurors. so every detail they learn luck in the way might be useful exactly. >> that's exactly right. i just remember that the trump team also has a jury consultant