rises to criminality, but you also have to, you know, as i said, it goes both ways. the judge is going to take a look at those, what happened afterwards, is going to take a look at the reaction, but it's hard to say unless you've been there, how you would react, and i will say, as a person who has felt the loss of a family member to gun violence, you know, sometimes you feel there's no amount of apology that will be enough for a family member. >> yeah. >> and it shouldn't be. >> as we heard, daunte's family say, he's never coming back and even if kim potter receives the maximum sentence, she does have a future to hold and talk to her family in ways they obviously can't with their son. we may be hearing from kim potter herself in the minutes ahead here in her sentencing hearing. we will bring you that as it happens, but in the meantime, i want to thank our guests and we'll take a quick break and