the post war order in europe. >> that's a victory for putin, a loss for putin would be something that we have seen some signs of happening here, that is some unity within the nato alliance in terms of standing up to the threat of the invasion, but also some movement of nato forces further east into eastern nato allies which is exactly what putin's claims is a threat to him. there is a tendency to treat him as a brilliant and flawless manipulator and strategist, but he makes mistakes. i wonder do you think he may have had his bluff called here? >> i sure hope so. i was pleasantly surprised to see secretary biden announce an economic package to help ukraine keep its currency stable, and shield against what russia is trying to do. which is create a zone of