discussions about our allies and na partners won't take place unless they're at a table. the united states isn't going to give something away for nothing and anything the united states would consider would have to be met by mutual reductions. we haven't heard much of that from the russians. i think we have to be prepared that russia was using this week of diplomacy and the meeting for the united states as a prehfr context. they may walk away from these discussions and declare that diplomacy has failed and use that to build a public case at home to underscore to russians that they have no alternative. that's possible. >> we're hearing talks have