>> if we don't pass build back better, i think you're right. but if we do, 17 nobel laureates in the economy said it's going to bring down inflation. >> cnn's joe johns joins us now from the white house. joe, it's a wide-ranging interview from build back better, very immediate challenge for this president, but right up to his plans for 2024. >> that's for sure. and he keeps the optimism high, doesn't he? optimistic on a number of fronts, including the idea of running for re-election. now, the president says he plans to be in the race even though his numbers have tanked, his approval numbers have tanked, even though he was the oldest president to take the oath of office. he does say if donald trump is in the race, he's planning to run too. listen. >> but look, i'm a great respecter of fate. fate has intervened in my life