so the president gets it right. he's got to sort of be the leader that this country needs, and that includes, frankly, a face-saving measure. it's important to keep this in mind, jim. there are people who you wish they would follow the science. you wish they would have compassion on their neighbors, friends and family. in the end, the only reason that they're going to do what's responsible is that the government told them to? fine, we'll take that, too. >> i get that. on the president's approval ratings, new cnn poll out today on handling covid, 56% approval. his overall approval rating 52%. but interesting, errol, over the course of the polling by cnn which took place over a number of weeks here, his approval was coming down, right, and you've seen that in other polls, too, where you have him down in the 40s. do you see that bottoming out here or is the president in real danger? >> it possibly bottoms out. and frankly, if you're going to take a dip in your approval ratings, it's the year before the elections, before the