maybe i'll deal with them in a different way. >> you know, poppy, this has been a recurrent theme since the campaign in 2016 for president trump which is to merge the trade issues with the defense issues and he raised in 2016 he said why should i defend countries that are running a trade surplus with the united states? something that traditionally had been kept secret. i'm sorry, kept separate and so what we're now seeing is he's saying he might use trade retaliation because he doesn't think they're contributing enough to nato. that tells you that the nato alliance isn't working well enough that they can get agreement on how much everybody needs to pay much less as macron pointed out what it is their mission should be. and i think the main thing we'll remember the 70s anniversary for is this disagreement now