information not from the president but through mulvaney and sondland. the one exception is that there are these direct conversations that were overheard between gordon sondland and the president but republicans have been saying, well, maybe he misinterpreted or it's just his word. we haven't heard the president say himself that he wanted these investigations. apart from the transcript of the phone call in which he refers to the bidens and crowdstrike server and things like that. so the republicans will probably seize on this to try to create that space between the president and the people who are speaking for the president. in this case, rudy giuliani. and rudy giuliani because he is such a loose cannon at times. he goes on television and speak his mind in ways that others probably would not. he's an easy target to try to wrap much of these allegations around. and much of the scrutiny about the wrongdoing around and the gop will try to amplify that. >> and republicans and the president have already seized on that one interaction between gordon sond ld and trump.