for political gain." is she right? >> i don't know. i don't see it as political right. i see it as president trump going back to the corruption that was at the base of all of our foreign aid. you know, we're not going -- we do that in central america. and also, that, you know, this was to go back at the 2016 election. was there corruption in there? was there a suppression put on -- >> then why -- if it wasn't for political gain, congressman, why did president trump bring up the bidens in the call with zelensky on the 25th of july? >> because you've got joe biden on the news, you know, several years ago, saying how he had a quid pro quo and he forced the ukrainian prosecutor to get fired. he was bragging about that -- >> i mean, i have it here. >> you're talking about him addressing the council on foreign relations in january of last year. he talked about holding back $1 billion in loan guarantees to carry out what every leader in the western hemisphere wanted,