reporters. now she's out, forced to resign yesterday. the white house already disconnected. sources now tell us when this happened she was on a scheduled summer vacation. joining us now to talk more about this and other topics, the washington bureau sheaf for the daily beast and daniel strauss, politics reporter for politico. daniel, as you may know our viewers may not oftentimes reporters traveling with the president, white house staff will give off-the-record conversations like this one over dinner. so it appears what happened here is that in that off-the-record context she talked about the president's family, and he considers that a reddine. >> yeah, and look it's not unusual for administrations or top level politicians to say that family and young children are off-limits. that's what obama said throughout the oa campaign, and i think that's sort of what we're seeing here, this information didn't really have anything to do with the players