emotional. there's no crime and it's with that information that he walks over and approaches michelle cook. so at that moment, he has zero grounds to question her, zero grounds to detain her. he starts talking to her. she does give him her name. she tells him my name is michelle. then he goes further and asks for her full name and i.d. and that's when she asked to make a phone call. >> and in the state of california mel, you don't have to give police your name right? >> correct, now here's the thing. i think a lot of us grew up, i know i certainly did and give our kids the same advice if you're dealing with the police you're not going to gain anything by being argumentative. but what is so egregious in this situation is he says to her, yeah, you can make a a phone call. i'm going to give you two minutes and then she starts on the phone call. now look, she doesn't run, there's no crime that's been committed. she's not mouthing at the