them home give them the history of what we are here in charm city. >> if is interesting, john you wrote about how one of the iconic images of this week has been that mother who came out and hit her son around when he was out protest. some people said good for her, some said violence begets more violence that is not the lesson. you said it is iconic it begs a question where are the dad? >> the first thought i had. i mean i've seen that youth, certain point, i think young men start to tune out women, particularly when they become teenagers and you need men at a certain point, women do heroic job. i mean i'm not putting down this woman, but i think a certain point, men start to list top other men and that's what i wondered. >> robert for you, i wonder what you think could provoke the most change. how do you get the older men the example certificates that are in these neighborhoods out and working with these children? >> i challenge them.