decides to attack a nato country, then that's world war iii. right now, these wars used to be fought by proxy which is really how they're fought right now but again, the united states needs to stay out of this for a lot of different reasons. but we can continue to pour in again that supplies, grenade launchers, communications equipment, night sights, rations, everything we can, and get that to the 20 million men that are going to fight this fight against the russians. >> okay. major mike lyons. thank you so much. well the u.s. is walking a delicate line with the situation in ukraine, wanting very much to stop the war but not wanting to get involved militarily. joining me now to talk about is anya mikanju former director at national security council, served as special policy adviser to europe, then vice-president biden, i know how difficult this time is for you. you used to be an adviser on russia. you were born in russia, have family in ukraine, family in