teleevangelicals and the midwest evangelicals who are quieter about these things and might have stayed home. that was the concern. and i think what we're watching here is pence holding onto the same groups that he developed that rapport with before. he's going to the federalist society. the thing with pence is you've got to watch his actions more than the actual messaging. and he's doing it methodically. it goes to florida. he does not get heckled. that was astounding. you know? so this guy is a viable candidate right now. >> he must have been able to sense that he would not get heckled for coming out and saying that. and remarkably on the same day that the rnc censured those two members, liz cheney and adam k kinz kinzinger.