they can't keep their focus and those weaknesses become something law enforcement can manipulate. >> commissioner ramsay. have you ever had to your department have to deal with hostage situations before? >> yeah. we v. i mean, i have worked in chichld, d.c. and philadelphia. they don't last all that lounge. sometimes it starts off and that's usually the way it unfolds in an hour or go. you are able deal with it. it's fought that often, it's a person barricaded in and may be armed and so forth. again the fbi is skilled bit adds a dimension. you have people you want to see get out unharmed.