experienced, billy, what may have gone wrong here? we heard one of the officials say at the press conference that this venue had 50,000 people. it could hold more than 200,000 he said, based on estimates from the fire marshall. do you have any sense of why there was this surge? >> the surge happened because everyone wanted to get up to the front, just get into the mosh pit. didn't realize they were pushing to the front that people had nowhere to go. they were basically just pushing people to death. they just caused so many unnecessary deaths to kids that just wanted to see travis and be close to him. >> what do you think should have been done differently? >> they need to open up the barricade and parking lot so it's way bigger so we have lots of space to maneuver. they need to have paramedics in the club, moshing with the kids, handing out water. keeping kids up. basically life guards above the