i assume you were when you heard this. but the trump team, his legal team, arguing in court this past week that the assassination of political rivals by seal team six is covered by presidential immunity if that president isn't first impeached and convicted during the impeachment process. what was your reaction to that when you saw that? >> so, i have to be candid with you, jim, i wasn't that shocked. because they have moved the goal post on shock so far, it's like a 400-yard football field now. so, anything that they say or anything that they're doing, stuff that he's saying about -- mayor giuliani, all this sort of stuff. nothing is shocking anymore. he'll pull any trick or any stunt. but i think he's really up against it, frankly. remember, his talking point is that it's liberals trying to prevent him from rerising to the presidency. but you've got people like mark meadows in there, who used to