solution. this gets solved at the state level and that's where the patient is in need of help or preventing the need for help. >> let's talk about all of this. dr. abdul el saeed and an infectious disease expert and senior adviser at the pandemic prevention institute. good to see both of you. well, doctor, i don't know, is this covid still controlling so much of us? i mean the white house wants to be optimistic, but what do you believe the message needs to be from the white house right now about what we really are up against? >> it is a really challenging circumstance to be in. but here's the reality of trying to message in this moment in the first place. you're trying to message to basically two different populations. you have the unbothered unvaccinated and you have the