most of them is it wasn't my fault, maybe it was someone else's but not mine. chris cantwell, for example, played an excruciatingly slow-motion videos of him punching someone over and over again from behind and tried to tell the jury he was acting in self-defense. but others in more private moments will say, maybe i shouldn't have trusted these people on the internet, maybe i should've said something when they were talking about violence. >> as we mentioned, you were there in 2017 documenting everything that happened. was there anything that you learned four years later about the events that day that you didn't know before? >> yes. for one thing, organizer jason kellser in his very earliest moments planning the rally wanted violence. he always framed it as self-defense, but he was talking about provoking anti-fascists and attacking them going as far as telling people don't open carry guns because then counterprotesters will be scared