that mindset, folks who watch fox news unfortunately, the facebook groups promoting crazy cures and that vaccines will hurt them, that is dominating the thinking. it bleeds into healthcare workers and the police department. these are just members of society getting the same disinformation as everyone else. >> given what you just laid out and the vaccination rate as it stands now, when do you think we're going to reach a point as a country where we just accept covid as sort of the second flu and we can kind of go and lead our daily lives in a way we somewhat did before but maybe with masks and that kind of thing. >> a lot of us are mentally there, but what i will say for folks in healthcare, i'm a public health student, the time is now as well. folks in public health are extremely optimistic. sometimes optimistic in the face of you know, opposition that is unbelievable and so i don't