he said what many people think. secretary blinken, of course, is right. this is not a change in policy. this is -- there is no u.s. policy that calls for regime change. president biden didn't say that. president biden said this man cannot stay in power. that's a commonly held view, probably around the world. maybe even in russia, but it's certainly the case that it was a moral statement. it was not a policy statement. >> however, does it carry more weight because it is the sitting president of the united states, the commander in chief? >> of course it does. of course it does. and the sitting president of the united states, the commander in chief, has a responsibility to lead this nation. and he's doing that. and he's leading it in a moral way. this war that the russia is fighting against ukraine in the first instance but against all of us in the second interest is immoral. it's unjustified.