prices. >> paul, thank you. let's talk more about what happens next with fuel prices. joining me now is sam orring, the executive director of the energy policy institute, the university of chicago. welcome to the program. what should we make of the u.s. now courting saudi arabia and venezuela? we had heavy sanctions on venezuela but we're trying to get them to up production and replace russian oil there. before you answer, i want you to listen to what colombia's energy minister said earlier this week at an oil conference. he said, if you just banned oil from what they call the russian dictator, it is difficult to explain why you were going to buy it from a venezuelan dictator. >> yeah. great question. you know, i think what you should make of it is that, look, there's only so many places in the world that you can go when you want to increase supply quickly. and, you know, the administration in the u.s. and policymakers around the world are really looking for policy -- rather looking for price relief