united states. tardy and hesitating perhaps, but vacillating -- >> i tend to speak my mind. >> so i've watched some of your series. it is riveting. i must say. i just happen to be reading a book on abe lincoln with my 9-year-old son so it really does -- >> yea. >> your series helped bring to life so much of what we've read about. not just his leadership but even going back to his tough childhood and in your series, you know, you are also not only you are speaking but we're hearing from former president obama, mary frances berry just to name a few. do you feel you all are helping to humanize lincoln in a way people haven't been able to see before? >> what the series really tries to accomplish is to have abe, young abe become president lincoln. so you'll see the making of a leader. it's not simply a biography, but what are those moments in time when he develops the leadership