she's nominated, but i cannot say anything bad about michelle childs. she is an awesome person. >> and house majority whip james clyburn, as you know, also from south carolina, making it no secret that he has been pushing and lobbying for her. the course of the last several years and has the ear of the president. really saved his campaign, if you will, and that is his candidate of choice. he makes the case here, fred, that she is diverse within this diverse group, that she is from the south, that she doesn't have an ivy league background, but don't want to get ahead of this whole process here. there's a number of very distinguished people that the president is considering on that list, including judge ketanji brown jackson as well as leondra kruger and many others, fred. so we'll see how this plays in the months ahead. >> will indeed. thank you, suzanne malveaux. philando castillo, daunte