trying to make that the main thing of the meeting. the u.s. position with nato allies is quite simply this, look, russia had this military buildup, got our attention, wanted talks, we are in that talk so why do you need the military buildup? dehe is can clat this he thinks it of the military buildup. having got that attention, continuing with that military buildup signals perhaps an ultimate intent here. it's perplexing everyone about how to tackle it because as most people are rightly saying, really it comes down to what president putin chooses to do, how much influence his foreign minister lavrov has, who has the big influence over him. president putin has staked a lot of interest, a lot of his own personal capital, if you like, saying that ukraine is part of russia. these are very, very high stakes