8,500, 8,600 trees south and southeast in about 20 days. that's obviously a very seasonal shift in demand for market trucks. it's very difficult for us to get trucks right now. some growers indicate they are paying as much as 40% more than they have paid in the past to try to get a truck, so when it comes to shopping early, actually that may not be necessary because trees are going to be probably be delivered later than they had been ordered just because of the trucking shortage that the industry is experiencing in the northwest right now. >> that's really interesting. sounds lime some supply chain glitches but younger folks, millenial families and parents are really driving this demand that could create some shortages. bob schaffer, thanks so much for being with us. >> no problem. glad to be with you. have a great day. as americans return home from their thanksgiving holiday,