intimidation. he's trying to tamper with their testimony. the differences were in the political arena of impeachment so trump's people and him, it's like him swaggering into congress and making a speech. that's where the fuzzy area is. but overall, it's obvious to anybody with common sense he's trying to comment on her, trying to get that message her. so i think overall in the impeachment evidence, it's goirng to be hurtful. >> this week, we're exexpecting to hear testimony and among them, president trump am ambassador to the eu. gordon sondland. he has firsthand accounts of the president's policy in ukraine and you know how ukraine may have been pressured. along the way. and of this phone call that apparently sondland was on. where it was overheard by another state department