and today, he was repeatedly confronted with those words in an interview and insisted he was being miscoop strewed. >> one of the things you said just a few seconds ago, never use that language. there is not a quid pro quo. you were asked by jonathan carl, you described it and you said it happens all the time. >> again, reporters will use their language all the time. my language never said quit pro quo. look at the list of three things. things that it was legitimate for the president to do. >> and in that very interview, one of those three things he named once again was again the president's interest in this investigation into 2016 matters related to the democratic national committee. now mick mulvaney's defense it seems, the latest twist, appears to be saying look, i didn't use the words quid pro quo, even if that is what he admitted to. >> so what more do we know about these threats of some you know machinery behind him b about