is paying dividends for her. >> interesting for her. what about a school. if a school is a benefactor of that money, should the school be culpable or pay a price, as well? >> well, that's interesting, fred, in terms of how this whole cheating scandal is playing out. even the fact that the individuals involved who have pled guilty, who have made deals, the sentencing recommendations tend to be a lot lower than what we saw when you look at the atlanta cheating scandal. there is this great documentary out about that cheating scandal that talks about how those teachers involved. not an apples to apples comparison, but a major school cheating scandal and those recommendations were 3 to 30 years in some of those cases. what we're seeing in this cheating scandal is that the recommendations are on the much lower end of the sentencing guidelines. now, with respect to those schools not clear that any of the administrators, particularly those who didn't have knowledge will be held criminally responsible, but the reputations