>> sunlen serfaty, thanks so much. let's talk more about carson's jordan trip. ellis hennigan joins me. he's co-author of "how the parties over? how the extreme right hijacked the gop and i became a democrat." and brian morgan stern joining me from new york. brian, you first, a top state lawmaker is suggesting that using the national guard to round up refugees who are settled in the u.s. and send them back. here's how carson responded earlier today on cnn. >> i think that may be a little bit extreme, to be honest with you. but rather than face situations like that, let's support the efforts that already exist that will take care of millions of people and -- why would we continue to increase the complexity of the situation without solving the problem by bringing people over here who are not adequately screened?