does she want to be on the stage and highlight his record or veer the conversation to what she wants to do. >> i think a little bit of both. she wants to come across as the establishment candidate and in some ways the moderate. she thinks that bernie sanders, the socialism tag doesn't work for him. she thinks that she's nor of a pragmatist. the practical democrat that can actually govern and get things done. she's never going to go on the attack against him because they know it doesn't work for her, it doesn't work for her when she was up against obama. >> she can't afford to offend his supporters. that's the key. hillary clinton won't win by destroying bernie sanders. that's not her battle. >> let's talk about the podium that's backstage, the lack tern, the just add water lectern that if joe biden wants to show up here, he can use here. he's meeting with his family this weekend. they're having this discussion. i won't ask you, david, whether