thank you for being out there along with him days on end trying to find this guy. now, joining us is detective joe who trains law enforcement officers. thanks for being here and important to get the perspective. we have seen the knewnew photo and this is where they spent some time and what do you note when you see this photo. what is it a note to you. you're seeing a sofa or tv. what are you looking for? >> well anything that's going to give these guys stuff like the food and water and that kind of stuff. also ammunition and of course camouflage clothing and you can help them evade the police. >> so when you see this what do you see? >> well what we're looking at is something that you would see in an ordinary hunting cabin. it's a perfect opportunity for them to go down. it's the wood panelling that they could provide the