route. there's not been any sign at all that congress is willing to even try that. so i think where we are is the worst they would do is send it over to doj. doj could of course charge him. although, the length of time they're taking with the mark meadows case suggests to me they're not at all thinking they want to do that with current officials or even officials who were there under former president trump like mark meadows was. so i don't know there is that much they can do except of course the pressure that all of this publicity brings. >> a process that would be rife with land mines and overly complex as chairman betty thompson explained it. so i do want to ask you about former doj official jeffrey clark. he was a key player in the plot to overturn the 2020 election. he met with the committee this week. he pleaded the fifth more than 100 times. the panel already voted to hold clark in contempt last year for his lack of cooperation. they paused on moving that referral forward until they met with him again.