out here. >> let's get a couple of things straight off the bat here. let's not make this whole issue about me. the reason i'm here in this chair in the county in oregon at all is because of the hammond family. i would be home with my family if it was not for the hammond family being in prison, i would not be here. so let's get that out on the table. s this is not about me. this is about the hammond family and their livelihood been stripped away. so let's get that out on the table right away. >> but we're talking to you because you have been a spokesman for the group. as you have. >> that's fine. >> and we're talk about what would it take why are yfor you p and what would it take? >> what would it take for me to give snup that's a poor